steven moore, writer for the with a wall street journal. i heard that quote and howard dean, dr. dean is one of the most liberal on the planet and saying, and i thought about that a little bit. does he mean everyone's taxes have to go up, including people who don't pay taxes now? >> a great question, because as you know, eric, about 40% of americans who file tax returns now don't pay any income tax, but i also saw that clip live when he said it and kind of mouth open, i was kind of shocked, but he's at least being an honest liberal here. one of the things about this fiscal cliff debate that bothers me, even if we raise taxes on the top two or three% and the president may reveil. then you go into 2013 and i heard the discussion on the debt which was fantastic. even if we do the tax increases on the rich they're not going to raise that much money and not that many people that make over 400 $500,000 a year and that means if the liberals want a fund these new programs and they want to bring this trillion dollar debt down. you know where they have to go, eric, who are they going to ha